[labnetwork] Cleanroom dB levels

[Owain Clark]

We follow the same rule. While I would like to give all our users the choice to make sensible decisions there are always some who will take the proverbial and make such a policy difficult to administrate.

If there was an emergency e.g. a potential HF exposure, or an evacuation alarm then it is vital that everyone has the best chance of response.

From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> On Behalf Of Kyle Keenan
Sent: 19 March 2025 18:55
To: Massey, Travis <massey21 at llnl.gov>
Cc: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Cleanroom dB levels

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For what it's worth, we tell people no earbuds whatsoever, with the two main arguments being that you might not hear a tool alarm or, worse, someone yelling for help in another bay.

Our lab also has ambient noise levels of 70-75 dB.

Kyle

On Wed, Mar 19, 2025 at 2:43 PM Massey, Travis <massey21 at llnl.gov<mailto:massey21 at llnl.gov>> wrote:
We found the same thing in a very similar setup and identical ES&H guidance.  Typically, we see 70-75 dB in the absence of personnel.  The chase is closer to 75 dBa, and the bays are closer to 70 dBa.  There were a few addressable offenders, like a loud spot where disrupted airflow created significant turbulence, increasing sound levels to 75 dBa in the cleanroom, but this was easily resolved by removing the obstruction.  Because none of these exceed the 85 dBA for 8h limit, ES&H will not get involved.

Users concerned about sound levels were tentative about hearing protection.  What they actually wanted in raising the concern was (a) to address the handful of loud spots, and (b) approval to use their noise cancelling earbuds in the cleanroom.  To the latter, we’re in a trial period – if it doesn’t impact our ability to get someone’s attention and talk with them when needed (e.g., can switch into transparency mode for a conversation), then neither I nor ES&H mind terribly if they wear their earbuds.  Quality of life counts for something.  We only cautioned that if they play music, they set volume limits to not damage their hearing.

From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu<mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu>> On Behalf Of N Shane Patrick
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2025 5:41 PM
To: Joseph Losby <joseph.losby at ucalgary.ca<mailto:joseph.losby at ucalgary.ca>>
Cc: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu<mailto:labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Cleanroom dB levels

Our facility is bay and chase, no subfab, so all the pumps and chillers and all are right next door to the equipment. After a recent request by one of our staff members, I did an informal survey using NIOSH’s Sound Level Monitor app (NIOSH SLM) and an uncalibrated microphone. The only time I got above 80db was when people were talking or dropped things, even in our loudest chases.

Sustained levels at 85 or more are the levels of concern for hearing loss according to US agencies. Our EHS team agreed with me that even with an uncalibrated system we were very unlikely to reach sustained levels of concern. People are still welcome to use hearing protection for their own comfort, of course, and I’d likely provide it for my staff if asked, but it takes a lot to get to that sustained 85db point.

Now, 80db acoustics and the associated mechanical vibrations from all of that is certainly enough to mess with sensitive instruments, and we have had to relocate certain tools or just accept our environmental noise translates to measurement noise. That’s more a matter of design and space limitations for us than anything else.

-N. Shane Patrick
Manager, Lab Operations and Safety
Washington Nanofabrication Facility


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On Mar 18, 2025, at 5:26 PM, Joseph Losby <joseph.losby at ucalgary.ca<mailto:joseph.losby at ucalgary.ca>> wrote:

Hi everyone,

Have any of you taken acoustic noise measurements of your cleanroom facilities, or have a basis of design for acceptable levels?

If you can share your facility ACH with noise level ( dB ) that would be great.  Any other input will be much appreciated as well.

Cheers,
Joe



Joseph Losby, PhD

Manager, qLab Operations

joseph.losby at ucalgary.ca<mailto:joseph.losby at ucalgary.ca>


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