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This also brings-up the broader technology transfer issue. One
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">I
am not sure where you are, but PVDF piping and valves is an
export controlled
item from the USA, Germany and elsewhere and is not
available without an export
license. I believe it can be used to make nuclear reactors,
thus the red tape. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 30, 2010 11:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kuhn, Jeffrey G<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Abbie Gregg; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:labnetwork@mtl.mit.edu">labnetwork@mtl.mit.edu</a>; Ciel
Villawatkins; Mark Winter<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [labnetwork] PVC piping<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Dear Jeff<br>
Thanks for the reply. You are right. The material proposed to
us is HarvellXT.
I will provide a ratioed price analysis as soon as it becomes
available. I
would like to place a disclaimer here. Some materials and
services readily
available at the US are surprisingly difficult to get here. I
can find the most
sophisticated LED lighting panels for example. But DI water
piping was an
"adventure" . Therefore the prices may not reflect the
situation in
USA. <br>
<br>
Volkan<br>
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Sabancı University<br>
Nanotechnology Research and Application Center <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Kuhn,
Jeffrey G <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kuhn1@purdue.edu" target="_blank">kuhn1@purdue.edu</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">My initial concern was
with organic
compounds (TOC) leaching from the PVC pipe and cement,
but it appears this new
material has low extractables. The other concern I
have is with the smoothness
of the pipe joints. Any crevices or beads in the joint
would invite bacteria
growth.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I did not dig too
deeply into the
specifications, but the following link from one
supplier may be of some use:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.harvellxt.com/" target="_blank">http://www.harvellxt.com/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">It appears there is
training required to
acquire the skill set needed to properly use the
system, not unlike with PVDF
fusion. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I’d also be curious to
see the cost
difference between the two systems.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">Jeff Kuhn</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
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style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
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moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Abbie Gregg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 30, 2010 2:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Volkan Ozguz; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:labnetwork@mtl.mit.edu"
target="_blank">labnetwork@mtl.mit.edu</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ciel Villawatkins; Mark Winter<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [labnetwork] PVC piping</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">We would be very
interested in
results on this. We have been using PVDF on the
supply side and Polypro on the
return side for most Nanolab construction in the
last 10 years. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Volkan Ozguz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 30, 2010 1:37
AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:labnetwork@mtl.mit.edu"
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<b>Subject:</b> [labnetwork] PVC piping</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;
margin-left: 0.5in;"> Dear Colleagues,<br>
There are some new classes of PVC piping (and
related joining techniques)
marketed for use in ultra pure water applications
including 18 MOhm levels. Are
there any users in our network who used similar
piping materials? How do they
compare to PVDF or PP piping materials? What are
your assements about
installation, service and long term reliability? <br>
Thanks for your help,<br>
Volkan<br>
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-- <br>
Volkan Özgüz<br>
Sabancı University<br>
Nanotechnology Research and Application Center <br>
Orhanlı, Tuzla, İstanbul 34956<br>
Office: 0 216 483 9880<br>
Fax: 0 216 483 9550<br>
Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Sabancı University<br>
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Orhanlı, Tuzla, İstanbul 34956<br>
Office: 0 216 483 9880<br>
Fax: 0 216 483 9550<br>
Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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