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I will second Shimon on ADT. When we had to replace our old
K&S, I evaluated Disco vs. ADT. While Disco is good (very) for
Si wafers, It did not have a wide enough range of capabilities for
us.<br>
<br>
Joe<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/2/2019 1:36 AM, Shimon Eliav
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">As Steve, I
also got the exact same feeling when I saw the picture: I
refurbished one of those machines some 30 years ago. Today
we have an ADT system. It is simple to use, ease to program
and all in all we are very satisfied with it: it is running
for more than ten years with not big maintenance issues. It
is a “work horse” and its flexibility makes it very suitable
for academic use. The support we have here in Israel is nice
(perhaps also in US). The machine we got was an ADT demo
system, we purchased it by half price, some 60k$.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Good luck!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Shimon Eliav<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The Unit for
Nano Fabrication (UNF)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The Hebrew
University of Jerusalem<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:labnetwork-bounces@mtl.mit.edu">labnetwork-bounces@mtl.mit.edu</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:labnetwork-bounces@mtl.mit.edu">mailto:labnetwork-bounces@mtl.mit.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paolini, Steven<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 2 August 2019 0:48<br>
<b>To:</b> Vlahakis, James K.
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:james.vlahakis@tufts.edu"><james.vlahakis@tufts.edu></a>; '<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:labnetwork@mtl.mit.edu">labnetwork@mtl.mit.edu</a>'
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:labnetwork@mtl.mit.edu"><labnetwork@mtl.mit.edu></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [labnetwork] Dicing Saw Advice.....<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">That photo of the MicroAutomation saw gave
me some creepy flashbacks! I worked on a fleet of those about
25 years ago.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Two vendors come to mind, one being K&S
and another being Disco. I have experience with both, but
Disco has been the most developed and supportive dicing saw
vendor.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Good luck,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Steve
Paolini<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Principal
Equipment Engineer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Harvard
University Center for Nanoscale Systems<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">11 Oxford
St.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Cambridge,
MA 02138<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">617- 496-
9816<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><a
href="mailto:spaolini@cns.fas.harvard.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">spaolini@cns.fas.harvard.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><a
href="http://www.cns.fas.harvard.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.cns.fas.harvard.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a
href="mailto:labnetwork-bounces@mtl.mit.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">
labnetwork-bounces@mtl.mit.edu</a> <<a
href="mailto:labnetwork-bounces@mtl.mit.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">labnetwork-bounces@mtl.mit.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Vlahakis, James<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 01, 2019 3:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> '<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:labnetwork@mtl.mit.edu">labnetwork@mtl.mit.edu</a>' <<a
href="mailto:labnetwork@mtl.mit.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">labnetwork@mtl.mit.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [labnetwork] Dicing Saw Advice.....<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi everyone, I’m hoping the group can
provide some advice regarding dicing and dicing saws.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We have a refurbished (within the past
3yrs) <a
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__engineering.tufts.edu_microfab_capabilities_MA1006Saw.htm&d=DwMFAg&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=-H4Z_jeDfTYjnKPXor15vLwzBllmg8gFrb9m_k9OGks&m=nuBi9zk2EtI6eQL594rhhH5VsjHUTxPycO_Gg5IDIM8&s=3PgdUx-pKubD7Vy0tdjZzybiPz87wKFgXWO_0GbQRMg&e="
moz-do-not-send="true">
MicroAutomation MA1006</a> saw which requires significant
time/resources to keep online. Unfortunately, it is
underutilized, only 1-2 dicing jobs per month. With such poor
bang-for-the-buck we’re considering alternatives -
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">A
different service provider – maybe our support is subpar?<o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoListParagraph">For those who have similar tools,
who maintains them? What are your results?<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Purchase
a different, hopefully more reliable saw<o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoListParagraph">For those with other saws, what do
you have? Can you comment on reliability? Consumable costs?
Ease of use?<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Remove
the saw and do not replace it<o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoListParagraph">Losing capabilities is suboptimal
and perhaps sets a perilous precedent (we are university lab,
none of our tools are justified *<b>economically</b>*). Have
others done this? Can anyone recommend a source for dicing
services – specifically for small, infrequent jobs?<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Other
possibilities we haven’t considered?<o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’m eager to hear various perspectives and
experiences.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">jim<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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