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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Christophe, thanks for the info, ADT users have very positive experience with the saws<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Have a good weekend<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">jim<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b>From:</b> labnetwork-bounces@mtl.mit.edu <labnetwork-bounces@mtl.mit.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Christophe Clément<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 2, 2019 11:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> labnetwork@mtl.mit.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [labnetwork] Dicing Saw Advice.....<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#336666">Hello, I will second Shimon's comment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#336666">Here at Polytechnic School of Montreal, we have an ADT dicing 7100 for 10 years now with relative few maintenances to do (cleaning, blade
calibration..etc). The tool is very easy to use and to program. Cost for blades are around 35 US$, we buy it directly from ADT in Israel, and we have also good service from ADT US. We bought the tool new in 2010, and we do not regret our choice so far.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#336666">Hope this help!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#336666">De:
</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#336666">"Shimon Eliav" <<a href="mailto:shimonel@savion.huji.ac.il">shimonel@savion.huji.ac.il</a>><br>
<b>À: </b>"Paolini, Steven" <<a href="mailto:spaolini@cns.fas.harvard.edu">spaolini@cns.fas.harvard.edu</a>>, "Vlahakis, James K." <<a href="mailto:james.vlahakis@tufts.edu">james.vlahakis@tufts.edu</a>>, "<a href="mailto:labnetwork@mtl.mit.edu">labnetwork@mtl.mit.edu</a>"
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<b>Envoyé: </b>Vendredi 2 Août 2019 01:36:42<br>
<b>Objet: </b>Re: [labnetwork] Dicing Saw Advice.....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D">As Steve, I also got the exact same feeling when I saw the picture: I refurbished one of those machines some 30 years ago. Today we have an ADT system. It is simple to use, ease to program
and all in all we are very satisfied with it: it is running for more than ten years with not big maintenance issues. It is a “work horse” and its flexibility makes it very suitable for academic use. The support we have here in Israel is nice (perhaps also
in US). The machine we got was an ADT demo system, we purchased it by half price, some 60k$.</span><span style="color:#336666"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D">Good luck!</span><span style="color:#336666"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D">Shimon Eliav</span><span style="color:#336666"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D">The Unit for Nano Fabrication (UNF)</span><span style="color:#336666"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D">The Hebrew University of Jerusalem</span><span style="color:#336666"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="color:#336666">From:</span></b><span style="color:#336666">
<a href="mailto:labnetwork-bounces@mtl.mit.edu">labnetwork-bounces@mtl.mit.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:labnetwork-bounces@mtl.mit.edu">mailto:labnetwork-bounces@mtl.mit.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paolini, Steven<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 2 August 2019 0:48<br>
<b>To:</b> Vlahakis, James K. <<a href="mailto:james.vlahakis@tufts.edu">james.vlahakis@tufts.edu</a>>; 'labnetwork@mtl.mit.edu' <<a href="mailto:labnetwork@mtl.mit.edu">labnetwork@mtl.mit.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [labnetwork] Dicing Saw Advice.....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#336666">That photo of the MicroAutomation saw gave me some creepy flashbacks! I worked on a fleet of those about 25 years ago.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#336666">Two vendors come to mind, one being K&S and another being Disco. I have experience with both, but Disco has been the most developed and supportive dicing saw vendor.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#336666">Good luck,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#336666">Steve Paolini</span><span style="color:#336666"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="color:#336666">From:</span></b><span style="color:#336666">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Vlahakis, James<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 01, 2019 3:04 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [labnetwork] Dicing Saw Advice.....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#336666">Hi everyone, I’m hoping the group can provide some advice regarding dicing and dicing saws.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#336666">We have a refurbished (within the past 3yrs)
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__engineering.tufts.edu_microfab_capabilities_MA1006Saw.htm&d=DwMFAg&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=-H4Z_jeDfTYjnKPXor15vLwzBllmg8gFrb9m_k9OGks&m=nuBi9zk2EtI6eQL594rhhH5VsjHUTxPycO_Gg5IDIM8&s=3PgdUx-pKubD7Vy0tdjZzybiPz87wKFgXWO_0GbQRMg&e=" target="_blank">
MicroAutomation MA1006</a> saw which requires significant time/resources to keep online. Unfortunately, it is underutilized, only 1-2 dicing jobs per month. With such poor bang-for-the-buck we’re considering alternatives -
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#336666">A different service provider – maybe our support is subpar?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="color:#336666">For those who have similar tools, who maintains them? What are your results?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#336666">Purchase a different, hopefully more reliable saw<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="color:#336666">For those with other saws, what do you have? Can you comment on reliability? Consumable costs? Ease of use?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#336666">Remove the saw and do not replace it<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="color:#336666">Losing capabilities is suboptimal and perhaps sets a perilous precedent (we are university lab, none of our tools are justified *<b>economically</b>*). Have others done this?
Can anyone recommend a source for dicing services – specifically for small, infrequent jobs?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#336666">Other possibilities we haven’t considered?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#336666">I’m eager to hear various perspectives and experiences.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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