<div dir="ltr">OK, guess the product doesn't exist yet.<div><br></div><div>Perhaps Lesker or other will up their game.</div><div><br></div><div>BR,</div><div>Ted</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 9:26 AM Michael Yakimov <<a href="mailto:yakimom@sunypoly.edu">yakimom@sunypoly.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail-msg-7336317350466090079">
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<p class="MsoNormal">You may confuse the topic a bit. Those are general purpose crucibles. Once e-beam evaporation is mentioned, it is a pretty specific – and different - product type. While “crucible” is a common term used for those, “hearth liners” is a
more precise one if confusion has to be avoided. Frankly speaking, even original question from Alexey used the term “liner”; my fault in switching to lab slang. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For example: <a href="https://thermionics.com/product-category/e-guns/crucible-liners/" target="_blank">
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<p class="MsoNormal">And those have to be machined to a pretty precise dimension and surface finish, unlike regular furnace crucibles..
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Ted Wangensteen <<a href="mailto:twangens@mail.usf.edu" target="_blank">twangens@mail.usf.edu</a>> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 19, 2022 10:06<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael Yakimov <<a href="mailto:yakimom@sunypoly.edu" target="_blank">yakimom@sunypoly.edu</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Alexey Kovalev <<a href="mailto:kovalev@magnet.fsu.edu" target="_blank">kovalev@magnet.fsu.edu</a>>; <a href="mailto:labnetwork@mtl.mit.edu" target="_blank">labnetwork@mtl.mit.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [labnetwork] Lantanum evaporation<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Again, I have no experience with the chemistry, and perhaps usual places do not carry SiC.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">However, I found this vendor - Perhaps something close to your size, or they can custom make something for your tool.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.lmine.com/silicon-carbide-sic-crucibles-c-1_2_98/#:~:text=Silicon%20Carbide%20(SiC)%20Crucibles%20are,base%20metals%2C%20and%20other%20products" target="_blank">https://www.lmine.com/silicon-carbide-sic-crucibles-c-1_2_98/#:~:text=Silicon%20Carbide%20(SiC)%20Crucibles%20are,base%20metals%2C%20and%20other%20products</a>.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hope this might be helpful.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 8:59 AM Michael Yakimov <<a href="mailto:yakimom@sunypoly.edu" target="_blank">yakimom@sunypoly.edu</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">Are there commercially available SiC crucibles for e-beam? Never heard of those, and nothing at my usual suspects (Kamis, Lesker, Thermionics) nor on the first page of Google.
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<span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">And there is certainly carbide formation in Al+SiC system at temperatures used for evaporation.
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<span style="color:black">Iseki, T., Kameda, T. & Maruyama, T. Interfacial reactions between SiC and aluminium during joining.
<i>J Mater Sci</i> <b>19</b>, 1692–1698 (1984). <a href="https://doi.org/10.1007/BF00563067" target="_blank">
https://doi.org/10.1007/BF00563067</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Ted Wangensteen <<a href="mailto:twangens@mail.usf.edu" target="_blank">twangens@mail.usf.edu</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 19, 2022 9:09:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael Yakimov <<a href="mailto:yakimom@sunypoly.edu" target="_blank">yakimom@sunypoly.edu</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Alexey Kovalev <<a href="mailto:kovalev@magnet.fsu.edu" target="_blank">kovalev@magnet.fsu.edu</a>>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [labnetwork] Lantanum evaporation</span> <u></u><u></u></p>
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La is an active metal, it slowly oxidizes in the air. It is very feasible that it may react with carbon and form carbide, if melted in carbon crucible. So the way I read that crucible selection is "do not use carbon! Use something else". Yellow layer of Aluminum
Carboide can become a problem with carbon crucible as well, so at least this is a feasible assumption.
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As an active metal, again, it will wet most other crucibles - I don't think that can be avoided. Density of Liquid La is somewhat below solid, but not too much - so I suspect it may be breaking crucibles like Al, so beware of ceramic ones. Otherwise, I would
be looking at crucible price - those materials must be steep. <br>
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If you have to justify the use of metal in evaporator, compare La with Al. It seem to be on the same page from e-beam deposition perspective.
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Hello Alexey,<br>
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I have several questions if you don't mind me asking:<br>
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What gas environment do you intend to use for evaporation? <br>
What is the end product you are looking to produce with the use of this material?
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Are you looking for liners that allow for best adhesion of over spray? Or, looking at concerns with contamination from secondary deposition?<br>
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I can't say that I have a background on this material, but I would be interested in knowing the use for this material if it can be disclosed.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
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Dan<br>
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Subject: [labnetwork] Lantanum evaporation<br>
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Hello All,<br>
We are thinking about e-beam evaporation of Lanthanum.Kurt Lesker recommends either tungsten or tantalum liner and I am wondering what could be the difference in this case. I also found out that Thermionics thinks that alumina liner will work as well.<br>
Could anybody please give a comment, either on evaporation of the lantanum, or on the liner material?<br>
Thank you very much<br>
Alexey<br>
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