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<p>The quality of the Trionic gloves seems to have changed for the
worse about the same time they changed their packaging during the
pandemic, going from a pair of gloves in a sealed bag to a dozen
pairs loose in a bag and closed by the same bag lock they use on
loaves of bread.</p>
<p>Here at Wisconsin, we issue each lab member who uses our
corrosives benches their own pair of gloves in their appropriate
size, along with a large Ziplock bag to store them in. This seems
to slow the deterioration of the glove material.</p>
<p>We teach lab members to do inflation testing by stretching the
glove's cuff taught, spinning it to seal it, and squeezing it. In
our lab, many of the N2 guns are inside the wet benches, and lab
members may not reach into the bench without gloves on, so they
can't use those guns to do inflation testing.</p>
<p>- Quinn<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/8/2022 1:44 PM, Owain Clark
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We also
see the issue of drying out with the Trionic gloves, and
from speaking to other cleanrooms it is a common story. I
theorise something in the production may have changed as we
did not have a real problem until 1-2 years ago when it
abruptly drastically accelerated and gloves from some
production batches would start to fail in a matter of days.
Whitening and then cracking at the fingertips is the typical
first point of failure. We put it down to air humidity
control after a short investigation, daily moistening with
ultra-pure water prolonged lifetime for us. Being exposed to
light seemed to accelerate the process also. Now we keep a
pair of gloves per user stored in a labelled box inside a
dark cupboard away from room airflow, no more issues since.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Inflation
testing is vital, we use these gloves on top of CR gloves
and due to potential hazards of HF and fuming nitric in
particular chances cannot be taken. We also tape out areas
around benches, not to be entered without acid PPE (gloves,
apron, full face visor)and not to be left without cleaned
and dried acid gloves.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We also
stock hexaflorine and diphoterine close to the acid benches,
all users to be trained in their use and rapid response
requirements. No HF processing without a hexaflourine
trained backup (staff or user) nearby within response time
in case of incident. <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Owain.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Matthew Moneck<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 08 November 2022 14:54<br>
<b>To:</b> Hollingshead, Dave
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:hollingshead.19@osu.edu"><hollingshead.19@osu.edu></a>; Nathanael Sieb
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [labnetwork] Providing chemical
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">Hi
Eric,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">We use
the same procedure as Dave highlighted below, including
the use of shared trionic gloves. I will add that we ask
our users to double glove with our standard cleanroom
nitrile gloves ahead of donning the chemical gloves. In
addition, we have a taped off safety zone around the
benches. In order to avoid potential contamination of
other surfaces in the lab, we instruct users not to wear
the gloves outside of that zone.
</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">I
should also note that we consider the procedure Dave
described for inflating the gloves (i.e. leak checking</span><span lang="EN-US">)</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"> prior
to use to be very important, as we have found that the
trionic gloves do dry out and ultimately crack in the
cleanroom environment, especially with continued exposure
to DI water. We therefore swap them out regularly.
</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">Best
Regards,<br>
<br>
Matt</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">Executive
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"> labnetwork <<a href="mailto:labnetwork-bounces@mtl.mit.edu" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">labnetwork-bounces@mtl.mit.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Hollingshead, Dave<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 2, 2022 1:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nathanael Sieb <<a href="mailto:sieb@4dlabs.ca" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">sieb@4dlabs.ca</a>>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [labnetwork] Providing chemical
gloves to users</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Hi Eric,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">We provide shared Trionic gloves for our
heavy chemical PPE needs. They are replaced as needed with
an extra supply that is kept next to each wet bench. We
also make a particular point during our hood training that
users must leak check the shared gloves prior to each use
by inflating with N2. They are required to demonstrate
this technique before we check them off on the hood.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">-Dave</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"> labnetwork <<a href="mailto:labnetwork-bounces@mtl.mit.edu" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">labnetwork-bounces@mtl.mit.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nathanael Sieb<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 1, 2022 19:24<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:labnetwork@mtl.mit.edu" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">labnetwork@mtl.mit.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [labnetwork] Providing chemical
gloves to users</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-line-height-alt:.75pt"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white" lang="EN-US">Hi
Eric, In our facility we have levels of PPE required.
Inside the Clean Room standard cleanroom gloves are
required at all times to prevent particle
contamination. A second pair of gloves is required for
any work on the wet-benches or spin
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<p><span lang="EN-US">Hi Eric,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">In our facility we have levels of PPE
required. Inside the Clean Room standard cleanroom gloves
are required at all times to prevent particle
contamination. A second pair of gloves is required for
any work on the wet-benches or spin coaters. These gloves
are single-use and can be disposed of in the Clean Room
solid chemical waste if they get contaminated. For HF,
BOE, Nanostrip, acids, etc., a third pair of elbow-length
thicker nitrile gloves, an apron, and a face shield is
required. These items are dedicated for the acid work and
re-usable. We would replace them if they are damaged.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">Outside the Clean Room we have similar
protocols except we don't have the initial layer to
prevent particle contamination and we don't use
cleanroom-grade gloves.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">I hope that helps a bit.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">Thanks,<br>
Nathanael<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">On 2022-11-01 9:07 a.m., Eric Johnston
wrote:</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Hi All </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">We are reassessing how we should be
providing heavier chemical gloves for our users,
especially for use with HF. I am curious about how
everyone else is handling these types of gloves. For
example:</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">- Is each user responsible for their
own pair of gloves?</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">- Is there a common set of gloves that
are replaced periodically?</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">- Are chemical gloves single use and
then disposed of?</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">- Do you use one type of glove material
for all processing?</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">I would be happy to summarize the
responses for everyone.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Thanks</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Eric</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Quattrone Nanofabrication Facility</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Singh
Center for Nanotechnology</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">University
of Pennsylvania
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Nanoscale Fabrication Center
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Room 3112 Engineering Centers Building
1550 Engineering Drive
Madison, WI 53706
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