<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">As a follow up to my original question, I will say that we have a stand alone washing machine here at the LNF that we'll use for cleaning heavily soiled items (lab smocks, and a clean room suit or two) before we send them out to our laundry processor. Our machine is set up to use ambient temperature DI water (and CR-2 cleaner), but the unit is just an off-the-shelf machine that we got from one of the big box stores. It has a stainless steel drum, and our thought with the DI water is that as soon as the water hits the equipment, it's way less than DI, but still way cleaner than city water. It allows us to pretreat garments that might have gotten excessively soiled as part of a maintenance project. Our experience with Cintas is that they're not set up to do a Tide commercial for clean clothes, but we still want the additional support they provide in regard to a final clean, and the packaging.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">This has been a good conversational thread. I don't know if we'll change our practices, or vendor, but it has been a great discussion. Thanks to all who chimed in with their experiences, and input.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">This is truly a handy forum to have.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div>Dennis<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> Schweiger</span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">University of Michigan/LNF</span></div><div> </div><div>734.647.2055 Ofc<br></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 12:26 PM Brian K. Olmsted <<a href="mailto:olms0025@umn.edu">olms0025@umn.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">That's an insightful way of looking at this.<div><br></div><div>Thank you,</div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Brian K. Olmsted<br></div><div>Associate Director of Laboratory Operations<br><div>University of Minnesota | Minnesota Nano Center<br><div><a href="http://cse.umn.edu/mnc" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">cse.umn.edu/mnc</a><br></div></div><div>612.626.3287</div><div><a href="mailto:olms0025@umn.edu" target="_blank">olms0025@umn.edu</a></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 11:18 AM Collins, Deon <<a href="mailto:deonc69@illinois.edu" target="_blank">deonc69@illinois.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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<p>Holonyak lab used a cleaning service until 2021. It was never a good solution. We continually had item lost, damaged, mixed in with our returns and lost/damaged shipments. On top of that the manpower it took to manage the shipping deliveries and inventory
moving around does not pay off. We ended up buying a quality top loader washer with a SS drum. We also ended up installing a small but effective RO on the water supply line, a bag sealer, properly sized bags, and a set of nice SS racks. We hang the cleanroom
suites up to dry on the racking in the same space as our washer. Our washing machine is in a storage room which is within our clean room. As the garments a not porous there is little to no water, they dry quickly. We also bag them for storage till they are
required for swap out. Our losses have gone to near zero and we feel there is a better product provided to our cleanroom users. As we already owned our garments it was a no brainier. Our lab assistants process the laundry in the evening. We were spending thousands
just for laundry services a year. On top of that the loses, damages and shipping were all recouped in a matter of months. Granted you will need a little assistance from the staff but it is worth it.
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<p><b>From:</b> labnetwork <<a href="mailto:labnetwork-bounces@mtl.mit.edu" target="_blank">labnetwork-bounces@mtl.mit.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dennis Schweiger<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 19, 2023 12:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Fab Network <<a href="mailto:labnetwork@mtl.mit.edu" target="_blank">labnetwork@mtl.mit.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [labnetwork] launderable cleanroom clothing<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Here at the University of Michigan/LNF we've been using launderable garments for many years (Cintas is the provider). We've had mostly good success, and our vendor has helped us to incorporate a simple suit modification
to allow for better identification of individuals when they are in full garb. As part of our due diligence for keeping costs under control, we'd be interested in comparing notes with other Universities that are also using an outside company to provide your
laundry service. Currently our laundry costs run us about $52K/year and we're laundering roughly 500 pieces of clothing every week.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>Dennis<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> Schweiger</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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