<div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Your employment contract will often answer some of the question of ownership. Different Univ's have slightly different policies, but commonly it's something like:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><i>If</i> University Employees (profs, staff - NOT industry lab-users) <b>use the university's equipment/services</b> to invent/develop some idea, then the university get's first rights to patent - you have to at least ask them. You might notify the university of a particular invention, and they decide <i>not</i> to patent it ("first right of refusal"), in which case you may do so yourself at your own cost, and full ownership. This happened to a number of UCSB inventions which were still commercialized.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Some university's IP policies are much more generous that companies. Company IP rights are that you often get <i>no</i> royalty, and are <i>required</i> to patent entirely on behalf of the company. University policies on the other hand may grant 10-30% royalties on a patent that the Univ paid for, and they may market it themselves to try to make money, <i>and</i> you can still start a company and license your patent from the university. A number of UCSB patents were commercialized this way. They have an interest in patenting an idea that you can then commercialize for them, making both of you money. So it could be in your benefit to let the Univ. pay for and file the patent, and then your startup licenses it when ready.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">You university will usually have an office staffed by experts in these topics - you should ask them directly. Our Office of Research has always been extremely helpful and transparent about these topics, one 30min meeting/seminar answering many such complex questions.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">For a shared-use lab with companies, our agreements must specifically state that the university does <i>Not</i> own IP developed by the companies' employees, using the shared-use lab. (Otherwise companies would never use the lab!). (These ideas must be developed by Non-Employees of the university.)</div><br clear="all"></div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Here are the terms I found for Cardiff, from <a href="https://www.cardiff.ac.uk/__data/assets/word_doc/0007/32794/code-of-practice.doc" target="_blank">here</a>:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><h2 style="margin:0in;break-after:avoid;font-size:11pt"><font face="arial narrow, sans-serif" style="background-color:rgb(243,243,243)"><a name="m_-8257446858430267963_m_-7180385675495562332_m_8190974251488748002__Toc422816826"><span lang="EN-GB">4.2 Ownership</span></a><span lang="EN-GB"></span></font></h2>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0in;font-size:11pt"><span lang="EN-GB" style="background-color:rgb(243,243,243)"><font face="arial narrow, sans-serif"> </font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0in;font-size:11pt"><span lang="EN-GB" style="background-color:rgb(243,243,243)"><font face="arial narrow, sans-serif">IP
generated through research and teaching activities conducted during employment
at the University belongs to the University, and staff must notify the
University of any invention or other intellectual property with potential
commercial value.</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0in;font-size:11pt"><span lang="EN-GB" style="background-color:rgb(243,243,243)"><font face="arial narrow, sans-serif"> </font></span></p>
<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;background-color:rgb(243,243,243)"><font face="arial narrow, sans-serif">Undergraduate
and postgraduate students are not employed by the University and, as such, may
own IP which they are solely responsible for producing.</font></span></div><font face="arial narrow, sans-serif" style="background-color:rgb(243,243,243)"><br></font></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0in;font-size:11pt"><span lang="EN-GB" style="background-color:rgb(243,243,243)"><font face="arial narrow, sans-serif"><b>IP
or University expertise can also be exploited by creating spin-out
companies.</b> The University encourages and
supports the establishment of appropriate spin-out companies and has developed
a number of funding mechanisms for this purpose. <font color="#0000ff">Research and Innovation Services</font> will work
with staff in developing business proposals and obtaining the necessary University
approvals. Research and Innovation
Services will also assist in locating sources of finance for spin-out
companies. For further information on establishing
spin-out companies and similar enterprises, contact Research and Innovation
Services.</font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">I <i>believe</i> this suggests you can file a record of the invention, potentially have the university patent it for you (with your help), and then license the patent with your startup company. Check with RIS though.</span><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Also, remember a patent is also a "peer-reviewed publication" of sorts ("peers" being at the patent office I guess).</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">––––</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">For a shared lab where your income originates in people using your lab, we have found that publishing Staff-developed info <a href="http://wiki.NanoFab.ucsb.edu" target="_blank">on our wiki</a> publicly or in <a href="https://wiki.nanofab.ucsb.edu/wiki/Research#Publication_Lists" target="_blank">publications</a> increases the visibility of the lab, while most importantly, helping lab users achieve good results faster. </span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">We thus opt for dissemination, to be as helpful as possible to our lab users.</span><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br></span></p></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><font face="georgia, serif" size="4">-- Demis </font><font face="georgia, serif" size="1">(<a href="https://wiki.nanotech.ucsb.edu/wiki/Demis_D._John" target="_blank">contact info</a>)</font><div><i style="font-family:"times new roman",serif">Reminder</i><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif">: The NanoFab has a </span><a href="https://wiki.nanotech.ucsb.edu/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Questions#Publications_acknowledging_the_Nanofab" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif" target="_blank">publications policy</a><font face="georgia, serif" size="4"><br></font></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 18, 2025 at 11:47 AM Hüseyin Yagci <<a href="mailto:YagciH@cardiff.ac.uk" target="_blank">YagciH@cardiff.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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Hello Labnetwork,</div>
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My clean room offers process development services to both researchers and industry. I am working closely with couple of the engineers, and we are at the point that warrants a discussion about intellectual property. We are considering applying for a patent,
but it is relatively costly and it will likely to be owned by the university as they are going to apply for us. We are mostly in it for the bragging rights (which can be satisfied with a paper submission, instead of a patent) but it has brought many questions
to fore for us; e.g. if CR engineers develop a device as a service but CR & engineers are paid for it, who holds the rights to the IP? What if it was an accidental discovery (i.e. not a deliverable for the development service)? Is it to the CR's best interest
to keep it in house, or develop a patent library? Is there an approach that works to serve both CR and researchers? Our clean room is at a weird intersection where it is not clear if the main customer base is the researchers or the industry, and I am wondering
if there is a clear answer to that.</div>
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Many thanks,</div>
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H. Bilge Yagci</div>
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