<div dir="auto">Emma,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">A more thorough answer:</div><div dir="auto"><div style="font-size:inherit"><div dir="auto" style="font-size:inherit;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0);color:rgb(0,0,0)">What looks like condensation is hygroscopic chloride residue doing it. With conventional positive-pressure delivery you inevitably leave trace chloride salts (CaCl2, MgCl2, NaCl etc from prior moisture/hydrolysis) in regulators, pigtails, and dead legs and especially around and under o-ring seal crevices. Many of those salts are deliquescent at normal lab RH (40-60%), so they pull water vapor from the air and form a brine film. That film can then hydrolyze any residual Cl2 to HCl/HOCl, which keeps the spot wet and makes it look like it’s growing.<br style="font-size:inherit">When the other respondent moved to sub-atmospheric delivery, that visual “condensation” went away. The mechanism isn’t that the gas changed — it’s that they reduced the seed: no positive pressure pushing trace gas into dead volume, much more complete purge, and less salt residue to act as a moisture pump / condensation nuclei.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:inherit;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0);color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br style="font-size:inherit">A full bake/purge and replacing any elastomer seats that have seen moisture usually clears it. I would recommend pulling those o-rings and flushing the chlorine salts with urgency. When we’d leave it to stabilize we noted pitting of the chamber’s o-ring grooves which leaves additional surface area and sites to fuel future nucleation sites. </div><br clear="all" style="color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:-apple-system,sans-serif;font-size:inherit;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div style="font-size:inherit;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0);color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature" style="background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0);color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div dir="ltr" style="background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0);color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div style="background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0);color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div dir="ltr" style="background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0);color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div dir="auto" style="background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0);color:rgb(0,0,0)">Dr. Michael T. Khbeis <br>(C)1-443-254-5192<br></div><div style="background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0);color:rgb(0,0,0)"><a href="mailto:mtkhbeis@gmail.com" style="background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(66,133,244);color:rgb(66,133,244)">mtkhbeis@gmail.com</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Oct 10, 2026 at 6:26 AM Michael Khbeis <<a href="mailto:mtkhbeis@gmail.com">mtkhbeis@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">Emma,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Apart from ensuring you don’t have a chiller loop causing physical condensation, chlorine residues are generally hydroscopic and will pull water right from the air and form the HCl that you measured the pH of. </div><div><br clear="all"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">Dr. Michael T. Khbeis<br>(C)1-443-254-5192<br></div><div><a href="mailto:mtkhbeis@gmail.com" target="_blank">mtkhbeis@gmail.com</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 9, 2026 at 2:12 PM Martin, Michael <<a href="mailto:michael.martin@louisville.edu" target="_blank">michael.martin@louisville.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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The only time we've had liquid in our etcher is when we were using Bcl3 delivered at around atmospheric pressure. We now run it sub-atmospheric and have no problems. </div>
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Curious to know how you guys are doing the digital log book. Is this just an Excell sheet? Is it part of PTIQ? I would love to transition to something like this as opposed to paper based logs but fear that we would have even worse compliance than we already
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-Michael </div>
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I already shared this with a few tool managers and so far no one else has ever run into it, but maybe someone on here has:</div>
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Last week I went to vent and wet clean our ICP-Cl etcher. Our tool can only vent using Nitrogen, but I had recently become aware that it's considered a good practice to also then vent to atmosphere, so that if there are residues in the chamber that may react
with atmospheric moisture to form HCl/HF vapors they can react fully and be pumped away before the chamber is opened. We don't have this capability, but to compensate I had started letting the tool sit in atmosphere for about an hour so (with a sign telling
people to avoid the immediate area) so that even if any of these compounds had been present in unnoticeably small quantities, they could degas before I scrub it (wearing a full face respirator- we don't have a snorkel or air scrubber. That said, other technicians
have previously been around this open chamber for days without a respirator and never mentioned any vapors or compounds.) The first time I added the hour wait, I did not notice anything unusual. </div>
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The last two times I opened the chamber, I've noticed small quantities of white solid on the lower crease of the metal rim. It's there when I first open the chamber, but then significantly reduces or disappears all together by the time the hour is up, so clearly
it is reacting with something in the atmosphere. We have had white residue in the chamber before that XPS indicated was likely a fluoropolymer, but this has a very different look to it, and a fluoropolymer would not be so reactive (see attached photos).</div>
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Then, last time I went to clean the chamber, I came back after the hour in atmosphere to find not only had the white stuff reacted away, but liquid droplets had now formed on the metal ring beneath the liner a few inches away (See photos- though the entire
metal ring appeared to also have a sheen to it- so I'm not sure if this was related or something new). The liquid was highly acidic (pH strip 0-1) , so we adjusted our clean to first wipe with a dry wipe, then water, and then only finished with IPA. The tool
took longer than usual to pump down again (water on the O-ring?) but the next day it passed leak-up rate no problem. </div>
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Has anyone ever encountered a liquid in the chamber upon atmospheric exposure? (or ever?) Any idea what any of this might be? (A recent clip of the log is attached- though the 'element soup' method quickly turns into a very large number of potential compounds
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Thanks! </div>
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(PS- A few years ago I shared our SOP for chamber wet cleans and mentioned using acid gloves. I recently realized IPA actually breaks through trionics fairly quickly (~25min), so for PPE I have now been using nitrile gloves on top of acid gloves, which seems
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