[labnetwork] StackExchange for Microfab?

Tue Sep 17 13:13:14 EDT 2024

Hello All,

Back in 2014 I floated a similar idea (based within labnetwork rather than outside).

Here is the Nanobot.chat summary:  (Thanks Julia for the reminder!):

Interestingly, the search did not seem to find the original posting in full, so I have included it at the bottom.

Nanobot.chat summary: (based on the query "forum process".  Searching for "process forum" returned roughly the same information, in the form of a "for and against" list, fyi)

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General Consensus:
     *   Most participants, including Vicky Diadiuk, Mary Tang, Tom Reynolds, and others, agree that the current system of having a single Labnetwork list works well. They believe it is beneficial to keep process, maintenance, and operations discussions together as they are often interrelated (Vicky Diadiuk, Mary Tang, Tom Reynolds, Michael McIlrath, Christopher Raum, Fouad Karouta, Shivakumar Bhaskaran, Aebersold, Julia W., Morrison, Richard H., Jr., Duane Boning, Rob Vandusen, Deng, Jiangdong, Charles Ellis, Matthieu Nannini, Bob Henderson, Mac Hathaway, Luciani, Vincent).
  2.
Arguments for a Single List:
     *   Holistic Approach: Managing operations at a tool level requires a holistic approach, as issues in fabrication processes can stem from equipment or management problems (Mary Tang).
     *   Learning Opportunity: The discussions provide valuable learning opportunities, even for topics that participants might not have considered before (Mary Tang, Vicky Diadiuk).
     *   Moderation: The current moderation by Duane Boning is effective, and the system works well without being overly busy (Duane Boning, Charles Ellis).
     *   Flexibility: Participants can decide which emails to read based on their interests, and the volume of emails is not excessive (Fouad Karouta, Rob Vandusen).
  3.
Suggestions for Improvement:
     *   Categorization: Michael McIlrath suggested adding topic categories (e.g., PROCESS, EQUIPMENT) in the subject line to help filter emails (Michael McIlrath).
     *   Searchability: Matthieu Nannini raised a concern about the searchability of the mailing list and suggested switching to a forum engine like phpBB for better search functionality (Matthieu Nannini).
  4.
Concerns About Splitting the List:
     *   Dilution of Focus: Some participants, like Dennis Grimard and Iulian Codreanu, are concerned that splitting the list could dilute the focus and increase the volume of questions, making it harder to manage (Dennis Grimard, Iulian Codreanu).
     *   Increased Workload: Maintaining multiple lists could increase the workload for the moderator and participants (Morrison, Richard H., Jr., Duane Boning).
  5.
Alternative Views:
     *   Separate Process List: Christopher Raum suggested an offshoot mailing list for process development as a complementary resource (Christopher Raum).
     *   Specific Process or Equipment List: Mac Hathaway proposed creating a parallel list for more specific questions to avoid uncertainty and encourage participation from those interested in detailed topics (Mac Hathaway).

Overall, the majority opinion favors maintaining a single, integrated Labnetwork list while considering minor improvements for better organization and searchability.
Original Post (from 2014):

"As there is still occasional uncertainty regarding the main thrust of Labnetwork (i.e. general questions about cleanroom operation and administration vs. more specific questions of more narrow interest), I'm guessing that some Labnetworkers sometimes don't ask certain question, out of deference to others...

If this is the case, does it make sense to create a parallel list, for instance "Labnetwork - Process" or "Labnetwork - Equipment", where much more specific questions can be aired without guilt(!), such as "Has anyone seen a difference between 5x9s purity and 98% purity TMA in their ALD aluminum oxide?"  Or do folks feel it's fine as it is?  I'm thinking a specific process or equipment list might bring in other folks for whom the general questions have not been sufficiently relevant to merit their attention.

Just a thought that came up during the UGIM..."

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Personally, I'm still in favor of a dedicated process chat.

Mac
Harvard CNS

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You might want to check out the nanobot.chat first.  This AI driven search from labnetwork discussions over the years may be a suitable application for your needs.

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I love this idea.  Sometime ago, I tried to start a FB group for microfabrication related issues but obviously didn't go anywhere.  At one point we had a separate list serv for microfab questions and it was actually pretty helpful.
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What do you all think about starting a StackExchange Q&A site for microfabrication?

There isn’t really a relevant site for this yet:
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It could possibly combine the ResearchGate and Lab Network process questions onto a single location - to help grad students and researchers find faster answers/learning.
Maybe it would work for equipment repair as well, but not sure.  Certainly would not be the place for lab-operations questions though.

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