[labnetwork] StackExchange for Microfab?

Tue Sep 17 16:35:45 EDT 2024

Personally, I am also in favor of a separate dedicated process chat, for
what it's worth.

Brian

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Brian Thibeault, Ph.D.
Technical/Operational Director
UCSB Nanofabrication Facility
www.nanotech.ucsb.edu
(805) 893-2268

On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 1:28 PM Hathaway, Malcolm R <
hathaway at cns.fas.harvard.edu> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> Back in 2014 I floated a similar idea (based within labnetwork rather than
> outside).
>
> Here is the Nanobot.chat summary:  (Thanks Julia for the reminder!):
>
> Interestingly, the search did not seem to find the original posting in
> full, so I have included it at the bottom.
>
> *Nanobot.chat summary*: (based on the query "forum process".  Searching
> for "process forum" returned roughly the same information, in the form of a
> "for and against" list, fyi)
>
>
>    1. *General Consensus*:
>    - Most participants, including Vicky Diadiuk, Mary Tang, Tom Reynolds,
>       and others, agree that the current system of having a single Labnetwork
>       list works well. They believe it is beneficial to keep process,
>       maintenance, and operations discussions together as they are often
>       interrelated (Vicky Diadiuk, Mary Tang, Tom Reynolds, Michael McIlrath,
>       Christopher Raum, Fouad Karouta, Shivakumar Bhaskaran, Aebersold, Julia W.,
>       Morrison, Richard H., Jr., Duane Boning, Rob Vandusen, Deng, Jiangdong,
>       Charles Ellis, Matthieu Nannini, Bob Henderson, Mac Hathaway, Luciani,
>       Vincent).
>    2. *Arguments for a Single List*:
>    - *Holistic Approach*: Managing operations at a tool level requires a
>       holistic approach, as issues in fabrication processes can stem from
>       equipment or management problems (Mary Tang).
>       - *Learning Opportunity*: The discussions provide valuable learning
>       opportunities, even for topics that participants might not have considered
>       before (Mary Tang, Vicky Diadiuk).
>       - *Moderation*: The current moderation by Duane Boning is
>       effective, and the system works well without being overly busy (Duane
>       Boning, Charles Ellis).
>       - *Flexibility*: Participants can decide which emails to read based
>       on their interests, and the volume of emails is not excessive (Fouad
>       Karouta, Rob Vandusen).
>    3. *Suggestions for Improvement*:
>    - *Categorization*: Michael McIlrath suggested adding topic categories
>       (e.g., PROCESS, EQUIPMENT) in the subject line to help filter emails
>       (Michael McIlrath).
>       - *Searchability*: Matthieu Nannini raised a concern about the
>       searchability of the mailing list and suggested switching to a forum engine
>       like phpBB for better search functionality (Matthieu Nannini).
>    4. *Concerns About Splitting the List*:
>    - *Dilution of Focus*: Some participants, like Dennis Grimard and
>       Iulian Codreanu, are concerned that splitting the list could dilute the
>       focus and increase the volume of questions, making it harder to manage
>       (Dennis Grimard, Iulian Codreanu).
>       - *Increased Workload*: Maintaining multiple lists could increase
>       the workload for the moderator and participants (Morrison, Richard H., Jr.,
>       Duane Boning).
>    5. *Alternative Views*:
>    - *Separate Process List*: Christopher Raum suggested an offshoot
>       mailing list for process development as a complementary resource
>       (Christopher Raum).
>       - *Specific Process or Equipment List*: Mac Hathaway proposed
>       creating a parallel list for more specific questions to avoid uncertainty
>       and encourage participation from those interested in detailed topics (Mac
>       Hathaway).
>
> Overall, the majority opinion favors maintaining a single, integrated
> Labnetwork list while considering minor improvements for better
> organization and searchability.
> *Original Post (from 2014):*
>
> "As there is still occasional uncertainty regarding the main thrust of
> Labnetwork (i.e. general questions about cleanroom operation and
> administration vs. more specific questions of more narrow interest), I'm
> guessing that some Labnetworkers sometimes don't ask certain question, out
> of deference to others...
>
> If this is the case, does it make sense to create a parallel list, for
> instance "Labnetwork - Process" or "Labnetwork - Equipment", where much
> more specific questions can be aired without guilt(!), such as "Has anyone
> seen a difference between 5x9s purity and 98% purity TMA in their ALD
> aluminum oxide?"  Or do folks feel it's fine as it is?  I'm thinking a
> specific process or equipment list might bring in other folks for whom the
> general questions have not been sufficiently relevant to merit their
> attention.
>
> Just a thought that came up during the UGIM..."
>
> *********************
>
> Personally, I'm still in favor of a dedicated process chat.
>
>
> Mac
> Harvard CNS
>
>
>
>
>
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> *From:* labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> on behalf of
> Aebersold, Julia <julia.aebersold at louisville.edu>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 16, 2024 4:58 PM
> *To:* Martin, Michael <michael.martin at louisville.edu>; Demis D. John <
> demis at ucsb.edu>; labnetwork <labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [labnetwork] StackExchange for Microfab?
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> You might want to check out the nanobot.chat first.  This AI driven search
> from labnetwork discussions over the years may be a suitable application
> for your needs.
>
> nanobot - Home
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> Cheers!
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> Julia Aebersold, Ph.D.
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> *From:* labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> on behalf of Martin,
> Michael <michael.martin at louisville.edu>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 16, 2024 11:01 AM
> *To:* Demis D. John <demis at ucsb.edu>; labnetwork <labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [labnetwork] StackExchange for Microfab?
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> I love this idea.  Sometime ago, I tried to start a FB group for
> microfabrication related issues but obviously didn't go anywhere.  At one
> point we had a separate list serv for microfab questions and it was
> actually pretty helpful.
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> *From:* labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> on behalf of Demis D.
> John <demis at ucsb.edu>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 13, 2024 8:22 PM
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> What do you all think about starting a StackExchange Q&A site for
> microfabrication?
>
> There isn’t really a relevant site for this yet:
> https://stackexchange.com/sites
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> It could possibly combine the ResearchGate and Lab Network process
> questions onto a single location - to help grad students and researchers
> find faster answers/learning.
> Maybe it would work for equipment repair as well, but not sure.  Certainly
> would * not* be the place for lab-operations questions though.
>
> -- Demis
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